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ageism and ableism 

listening to leftie podcast and it just casually remarks that teenagers can't be trusted with decisions cos their brains are not fully-formed. it still shocks me how casually people I trust will mobilise the same pseudoscience rhetoric used by racists and gender reactionaries.

"yeah but studies show that teenagers don't have a developed sense of consequences" you know who else doesn't have a developed sense of consequences? adhd folk. for brain reasons, we're starved for dopamine and can't project time well, we can only really connect to the present moment (some of the diagnostic criteria for adhd include "getting a drug addiction", "having a crime sheet", "attraction to extreme sports" and "traffic fines").

I'm 37, which means I have lived independently for 20 years. I took a lot of risks in these 20 years (and before too, when parents weren't looking, but you know). I was taking significant risks *yesterday*. If you live a whole life attracted to risk-taking sometimes things go wrong, do you know how I feel when I have to deal with the consequences of my behaviour? Ask any teenager, big grin, "worth it". I wouldn't live any other way.

Now, I'm a parent too (I've been a parent for a long time (I took some risks)), so I can tell you the secret, the real reason why parents rationalise coercion: We don't get the rewards, only the downsides. If my kid wants to do boxing I get worried out of my mind about the risk of brain damage, yet I myself enjoy boxing, for the same reasons they do. But when they do it I don't get the experience, I don't get the thrill of finding an opening in someone's guard and fitting in a hook. When they do it I only get the worry. My kid should be throughly informed of the risks and protective measures and alternatives, but if in the end they want to do it, I don't have a right to stop them any more than a worried girlfriend has to coerce what I do, and if you believe I can be free, ask yourself, why do you think that doesn't apply to teenagers?

Unless you're advocating that neurodiv folk like me should be constrained too, for our own good, in which case I'll call some teenagers and riot. Be careful, we have a defective sense of consequences.

ageism and ableism 

@elilla by that token anyone over 25 can't be trusted with decisions because their brains have already started to atrophy

reductio ad absurdam: all decisions should only ever be made by final year college students. just after their exams, so they're not stressed

re: ageism and ableism 

@elilla I'm jealous of your mentality. I'm like super cautious and wish I wasn't- it's hurt me so much.

ageism and ableism 

@elilla Completely off topic to the point of this, but I'm trying to work out if I've got ADHD, as someone too old to get a professional diagnosis because the NHS doesn't diagnose adults with it. I love extreme sports, I BMX and dirt jump, skateboard, parkour, anything I can manage to get out and do, but I also have massively over the top risk aversion. There are so many things well well well within my ability that I'm too scared to try, even things that carry very little risk (slow crashes and soft landings in grass)

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